After playing college soccer for 4 season (2 in the NCAA, 2 in the NAIA) I have a good understanding of whether dedicating 4 years of your life to school and soccer is worth your time. This video is in no way, shape or form bashing college soccer. Deciding to play college soccer was one of the greatest choices of my life. The sole purpose of this video is to help you gain a better understanding of what university football is like in America.
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go overseas and do a trial for an academy if you’re american and wanna go professional. none of this “MLS Draft” bullshit where you’re 23-24 by the time you go pro. shits embarrassing. our “young talent” in the US are deadass like 25 years old while other countries have 17 year olds playing for premiere league teams ???
College soccer use useless in the real soccer world.
Couldn't be more wrong about the value of a college degree. Pass it up and you'll always regret it. Just remember you have to pay for it, so watch what you pay for it.
as someone who played at europe I have to say if you are 201-22 and you are not a to in second or first tier football I don't think it is worth it to play soccer I remember when I was 17 and my club did not giveme a pro contract I knew it was over I stuck a couple years then I was offered a third tier contract I choose medical school instead
Can't really speak to your takes on the sports aspect, but I really think you have the wrong perspective on the value of a college degree itself. Signaling is important because, unless your prospective employer is giving you a skills test before hiring, the only thing they have to go on is your resume. A smart employer is going to take someone who went to a good school over a worse school if all other aspects of the resume are equal. And it's just statistical fact that higher education will lead to greater lifetime earnings. Not every degree is equal in that regard: some fields are going to require graduate work or professional school to attain the things you want, whereas something like engineering or computer science will not. Most people are not going to be able to rely on self-employment to provide a living for themselves and a degree will be a much better investment in their youth than almost any alternative option. Not everyone is a Zuckerberg
A degree will open doors in some areas so you can be “knowledgeable” Do you think you can apply for a finance manager job just because you are good at gambling on meme stocks, or to an IT position just because you have repaired your computer couple of times? The true is that there are many areas where a degree or some minimum of education is required.
I agree, college soccer is overrated
Keep in mind he mentions jobs that typically do require a degree to get hired. Not everyone can film themselves having sex and become a millionaire, Kardashian.
I want to use football to earn a scholarship to a great university but I'm not passionate about going pro. I prefer to study
What the heck in the Michigan St. VS. Akron game the wall just stood there they didn't jump!
Spence, 100% agree with you bruddah. This is a real flawed system and there are many reasons why I didn’t want to play college soccer because of everything you said. I got offers from 20 different schools in and out of state but none of the schools didn’t have what I wanted to study for which was Physical Therapy. They tried telling me to that I can change my major and interest but I just wasn’t buying it. Even if I did college soccer I am for sure that I wasn’t going to start for 2 years because of my injury in high school, furthermore, there are lot of players that are pouring in and I am glad that you brought it up and told them to do their research because most of the time it is a scam. Also, and personally college soccer is no different than club or the neighborhood soccer which is more better than college because it is more fun, no crappy referees and there isn’t a lot of time management issues. We have pay to play system that really needs to be addressed in this country and you are right on the money when you said that you shouldn’t have to pay so much to be qualified for something. Very true, I can make more at the refineries in 10 years than post-college in 10 years. I really hope everyone can see this video before they make a decision for college. Keep up the good work bruddah.
What was your position on the field? You look like a center back or defensive midfielder.
If you have self-control you will be fine in college.
22 is still SOOOO young. You have so much more time after 22 to do whatever with your life. REMEMBER just because you don't need a degree to do certain things doesn't mean you shouldn't get one. Get your education out the way while you're young because no one can take away your knowledge. Even if you decide to chase pro have a plan B just in case you get injured or things don't work out the way you wanted because when you have a degree you can branch out and you stand a better chance than those who do not.
Sheesh, way to bash college. I hope all of you realize Spencer is talking to us possessing a college degree. I don't know what is up with our generation undermining the privilege of higher education. Although college is unfairly expensive I think we need to realize we are privileged to live in a country where quality education is accessible and there are even ways to get it for free based on merit and athletics. It is true there are many ways to make up to 6 figures and more in the US without a college degree, but many of those pathways are uphill battles that will be draining in so many aspects with no guarantees. You want to be able to have that knowledge and prestige that comes with being a college graduate because not everyone has the ability to pop on youtube etc. Get your education while you're young and those other methods can be your plan B. There are too many young people (especially minority individuals) going around without a college degree which prohibits us from making much change.
So you went to several colleges… did you ever finish with an actual degree in anything?
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Make a video explaining the college soccer system
Id like to get a review on IMG academy. I went there tried really hard to get a scholarship also. But I didn't get it, later in life I learnt some concepts that I think have made me a much better player and more like what they where looking for, but that's beside the point. What was it like, and was it worth it?
Honestly, I want to know because I am curious. I am seeing lots of people saying how the USA is not a good place to play soccer because of how bad it is. Now, i do understand that the MLS draft is stupid and meaningless unless you are the top 10. So, I am curious to know, what do people in, say, Europe go along with their soccer carrer? Is it that there is more teams and opportunity or is it that there may be more camps to go to? I just want to see how Europe is more efficient than playing in the USA. Thank you!
These are some good advices…I gotta watch every vid on this channel
Well done S! Best of luck !
Isn't it that most of college soccer athletes use soccer as a means to graduate at a college of their choice and obtain a degree rather than become pro?
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How old is this guy? He sounds like a grizzled man but he graduate college in 2018. Take his advice with a grain of salt. You don't see the results of your efforts until 10 to 20 years.
It depends on your actual experience and if you are able to win advocate along the way. Being a C or D student in college is pointless but if you don't have any set and you can see the benefit of mentor – go to school and develop a marketable skill.
Unfortunately, the MLS, like other pro sports in the US, place enormous emphasis on the university system; they rely heavily on the draft. This is the measure by which the leagues determine a player's worthiness to make the type of money associated with being a professional athlete — that's it. It is a hustle that they want every athlete to participate in, because the powers that be possess sour grapes that a young athlete can make more money in a year, than most middle class uni graduates make in a lifetime. This is also the reason employers want to hire graduates, because it demonstrates that a candidate is able to envision a goal, enter into and complete the long term demand of a degree. In short, it demonstrates discipline. This is the same requirement we see in professional sports in the US — owners want assurances that their young talent also possess the discipline to play the game of academic life. Every time a player foregoes university to enter into the draft, it is seen as an outlier that is sidestepping 'the rules'. But, in reality, nowhere else in the world do we see talented athletes put through the university process to become successful professional sportsmen.
Of course, MLS salaries are much lower than anywhere else in the football world — so why the emphasis on the college draft? As I said, it's sour grapes. People without the knowledge and experience of being an athlete — but who run these organisations — want to maintain barriers to success for those young people that are talented and experienced athletes.
Everyone knows that for the US to be competitive in the world of football — the LAST thing a young player should be doing is wasting his prime in the NCAA. At this time, and for the foreseeable future, college soccer seems to be the only reasonable means of developing young talent with a semblance of competitiveness, because we lack the market for a multi-tiered system of leagues with heritage, with a strong supporter/ fan base to finance it and supply the juggernaut of a premier league. The real loss for the US, as a footballing nation, is that the best players in the country are immigrants that spend their days working construction, or in the nation's kitchens and warehouses, working blue collar jobs. These folks will never be scouted.
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I agree with everything besides the degree part. If you’re not trying to go professional in soccer via academy and ODP then college soccer is the best route if you just want a degree and get some money off schooling by playing soccer. That’s why I did. My dream was always playing professionally but I knew by 17 that I wasn’t making it. Since I couldn’t break past regional ODP. Don’t get me wrong I had a hell of a youth career. 2 state cup championships. Regional ODP team. But by 17 years old I knew that since I wasn’t at the National team level I wasn’t going professional. Maybe indoor or USL professionally. Which I’ve had multiple teammates from my youth team go onto have careers in. But for me at 17 I talked to my dad and said I’m not going pro so I’m going to play college soccer to help pay for school. Got my degree and only had 27k in debt after 4 years. I now make 75k ish and still play on indoor and outdoor men’s leagues teams. I think all academy teams should have coach’s talk to 16 to 18 years olds to gauge where they’re at skill wise to make it professional or not. If I didn’t have my dad talk to me at 17 I would have kept pushing and pushing to make it pro. I wanted to ink a contract ever since I was a young kid but I didn’t have the skill to make it. Who knows I might have made it pro in indoor or NSL but my dad told me how much those players get paid. Next to nothing! Kids to have this talk at 16 to 18 in America if they play soccer.
In my high school age I got the chance to go play in Germany. After experiencing the training their (not just the physical training on the field, but the entire structure as well), I realized how far behind we are in American soccer. Once I got back home to my team, I was being told to ease up. I told everyone I’ve seen the light. They needed to step up
It’s simple, the recruiting and the system, it’s stupid.
Horrible choppy MLS style players. Most players are pro by the time they are 18 in other countries.
Not always true about doing one thing or mastering one craft. That is a great way to be out of work or have NO skill once the economy or technology changes or a sector of the economy goes belly up. Ask my friends who were oil/gas workers and land-men who lost jobs in the past decade and have no other skills or knowledge base to find new careers.
Good job dude
Man, 20 games per year, training only for a tiny amount of the year, from 18 to 22 years old (? or is it 16 to 20?)… It's no wonder the USA would not be able to produce footballers through local football. That is hardly enough competition time and training for a youngster to develop!
There's so much info I couldn't stop watching, definitely subscriping
After my parents died I had to clean out their house/files. I saw what my father was making as a county engineer and he put 3 kids through private colleges. This was in the late 70s. Tuition then was not ridiculous. What happened? If you could not get out of a student loan because things did not work out then you could just declare bankruptcy and just have a bad credit rating for the next 7 years. Now you are totally hosed. Congress is controlled by lobbyist. There was no student lobbyist to keep things the way they were 40 years ago. I played D1 soccer and had no intentions of playing pro because there were no pro leagues. I played a scrimmage against the US National team and gave 3 players a ride to their motel after the game. They were talking about what to do for a living with the NASL not coming back. I was working in software and doing quite well and thought glad I was not that good at soccer as them. Unfortunately there were no lobbyist for programmers and corporations imported programmers using H1B visas or just exported the jobs overseas. I wish my grandparents never came here from Ireland. Our country flat out sucks now.
the point of the ncaa is to ensure that a student gets an education. There are limitations to ensure that the focus is on getting a degree. Your are a student-athlete not an athlete who is also a student. Most of those that play sports in college, even D1 sports are not going to be playing at the next level. The degree is what they are going to get out of there four years at school. Football will not be first becuase they are student first.
I have one question. Can I Play D1 Soccer, if I am not at a Professional Academy?
It also depends on what degree you get, if you go to college for free and get a degree on engineering then it’s well worth it but if you get a degree in the arts it’s a waste, since there’s no job opportunities, and pay isn’t good.
I want to play college soccer, I want that free degree but if teams/nations start calling ill play pro.
If you want to play pro – soccer at the highest lvl you need to go to Europe like Spain,Croatia,Netherlands,Germany,England, Scotland etc ..You might not make it to the top 1 Division right away but in Europe 2~4 division is always looking for players and host open tryouts or invite player to see what they got.
You just inbox them tell them who you are and you'll here back from them! It's not that difficult to get a tryout or get invited to club training session
in Europe you just gotta knock on their door! Younger the better so do it when your young!! one more thing..don't go to college if you want to sign a pro contract with top league soccer clubs! Instead grab your backpack and just go to Europe!! I bet you'll have much better outcome spending 4 yrs in Europe than 4 yrs of college. If you still didn't make it after 4years then you should just move on with your life..
Thank you so much for this video. My son is a high school senior and soccer player. I've had so many conversations with other parents about what the boys are going to do after graduation. A few of the parents are considering 40K a year private schools because the soccer program reached out to their child. Personally, I think it's a bit of a rip off! My son's coach (British) has, in very few blunt words, made the same points you made in this video. My son has decided to go to Manchester UK for school (BTEC) and academy for what is half as much cost as college in the states. Besides, the only thing he knows for sure that he wants to do is to play soccer. He has no idea what he wants to study in college. His sister has student loan debt and no degree to show for it because she doesn't know what she wants to study. I feel like him doing what he actually wants to do is going to save money in the long run.
Thank you again for the video. I am reassured.
Can you do a vid on explaining the different division and stuff plz.
Great video. Any other methods of trying to go pro?
College is free…. Fafsa literally pay for everything. You just cant go too far from home. Just go to your local college live at home. You'll have a safety net
I wonder where this guy goes when he needs a doctor.
I think the party scene and girls is the most dangerous part of college sports. You come in as a young athlete to college hyped and confident having made it to the college level. On top of that, athletes are put up on a pedestal by many of your peers in the college scene… because they are fit men that fight for the university in whatever sport they play. At your college you might feel on top of the world. Girls are extra interested in you, you feel special, you feel apart of the cool people… this is a very dangerous and toxic feeling. As pointed out in this video, college soccer is not that high of a level relative to professional. College players can get a false sense of security in their abilities from the praise they receive on campus and can become more complacent and more likely fall into the temptations of partying and girls. They really forget that playing in college isn’t shit… from my experience in college soccer it’s pretty clear… the most successful players after college were the ones that partied less. I think it’s pretty obvious after people finish college who deserved to go pro. It was sad to see some top talents get sucked into the wrong places.
It's better to go ahead and take a chance, go to Netherlands, try out for Ajax and PSV soccer academies. Save up, stay for two years and give it your all . Better to go to the grave knowing you gave it your all, than to know you never tried at all.